Sorry to burst you litle "plaz rule" bubble, but in the wet they are SHITE, realy realy bad in the wet!! When i was running my HS33 my coustsinks were awsome, in the dry, but thn in the wet, oh dear lord, i rode bristol in the pissing rain, and my brake was AS GOOD as it was in the dry, even after riding through the little pond things on the water front they still sqwaked like when they were dry!!!! (coust material in plastic backings will not be as good!) They may be a little bit on the expensive side, but they are DEFFIANTLY worth it. If you don't want to fork out for those, go for koxx greens, they are awsome winter pads Adam