real trials to me, is what trials used to be like 2 years ago, the lads on the megamos, zebdis, there was none of this long uci crap, if people wanted to use there bash they would, they competed at club level, enjoyed it, then went out for a street ride down the town, enjoyed that. it's not just about how high you can jump, or drop, it's how you can deal with an obstacle. biketrials spaned from motor trials, and on that there is no set uci rules. if you use your sump it's ok aslong as you are keeping forward motion. any way what im trying to say, is that there is too many different aspects of trials now, 2 years ago a rider would have a bike, long or short. flats or riser's and he would ride both natural and street and enjoy them both, he wasnt worried about scratching his bash. or if his bike was too short. he just rode it. :) fair enough i do like to watch uci trials, i have to admitt they are really good 'modern' riders, but 'akrigg or burns' style how i think real trials is. :)