trials dave, i think what your doing isnt going to improve matters. mr.onza - 'ooo, i've just read 'trials daves' thread on t-f, maybe we should stop selling the t-pro at such a decent price just for his sake' i'm not trying to have a go, but really, what is this thread good for? all the smaller companies were doing were finding gaps in the market where profit can be made, anyone in their right minds would do this surely if they had the opportunity? i say good on them for makin a bit of money out of the situation... i think koxx and others deserve it to be honest, they absolutely RAPE us of our money on all of their products imo. koxx trials shoes 65+ quid........ koxx xtp frames 550+ quid....... koxx levelboss frame = 400 quid (they must have been raking it in before onza brought out a better frame for 200 quid.) meh, thats my system flyshed Will