i rate my reds! they pwn on a grind. they are great in the dry, and not atall shabby in the wet either! also, koxx browns are good. they are prettey good in the dry, but when it comes to wet weather they absolutely rock! Will p.s. my thinking is that koxx are a quality company, and any pad that you buy of theirs is going to be good! just use the specs on tartybikes to see which is best for the weather conditions