If i could save the money, or get my mum and dad buy it me and pay them back then i'd probably buy that bike, but...if i do save the money it will take me ages, because i have no way of making money at the moment, i'm only 14 damnit, so don't depend on it, i'll have a chat with my mum and dad tomorrow, when they're less pi**ed and see what i can do nath, any other idea's welcome EDIT: any chance of some pics?