for a start, dont argue when you know half the story , i actually made a whole 2 minute vid if youd like to see it which includes me receiving the pads, putting them on grinding my brand new wheel and setting the brake up, there is no tar and no you cant make anywheel stop like that with tar or wed all be using black pads with tar. the pads are decent, the sound is turned up so mike could hear what they sounded like i never intended for him to show people that vid i just made it for fun. i cant beleive you actually said you can make any pads work like that please nick get ANY pads, on any rim, smother it in tar and make em sound like that then i will be happy. oh ps, you know theyre not heatsinks because heatsink pads are sh*t i have some sitting next to me, they were good for a day though only pads that give as good performance are plaz in the dry and coust pads. oh and ANY pad if you have tar right nick