obviousely your friends in china and me are riding a different frame , ive gave mine some stupid hammer hooks taps the works and im sidehopping every 2 minutes slipping to chainstay harsh as fook and theres not one dent in it, the only dent i put in my frame was on a dropdown to a rail that went wrong and its a tiny one at that, the old pures are crap to be fair you do a sidehop and you land with a seat up your arse, theyre shorter and i personally dont think theyre any stronger, really putting the one i have to the test and its took everything so far, destroyed 2 rims already