QUOTE(Bill_B @ Mar 8 2007, 11:58 AM) ←The Monty frame cost me a whole £10 (had £50 but-it-now and £15 postage), I put in minimum bid and it was local, that is all it made so I don't feel too bad about it not being suitable. it was frame, forks, headset and stem. Mike: Considering I'm not really looking at getting into trials proper, just something to 'play' on, is a £500 outlay, even just in bits necessary? where would say £250 get me (waits for the response 'a decent pair of wheels')? Eskimo: 1) you say if it feels good, well it doesn't feel anything, I just have the frame (not even collected that yet) I have never had a trials bike of been on one, closest I have been is my BMX in the 80s and a montessa trials motorbike I had 12-14yrs ago. I'm totally new to all this, a trial virgin I bought the monty frame on a whim, it was local cheap and Monty appeared to be a 'good' make. 2) Is short going to cripple my back though? I'm 6'4" and not of slight build (I know where the pie shop is ) 3) I still need a lot of stuff to complete my setup though, I'm wondering if its worth continuing or there is a beter way to go. 4) I don't want to invest more than I need to for starters, its a hobby I can build on, at the moment I see trials as a small bike to play on and learn balance and manovering skills in the back garden etc. thanks for your input guys, I am listening. The shortness will be fine. You could always get a different stem. £250 will be able to get you enough decent kit to finish your build. Looks on For Sale/Wanted section on here the vee brake will do just great try http://www.heatsinkbikes.com or http://www.tartybikes.co.uk for pads and buy some decent cable odyssey linear slic from bmx shops is great