lol, I always love the way theres a really serious post (toms) and then the following one has no comment about it Anyway tom, you point is fair and valid, cant argue with that. I can't say I understand because I've never been to a comp to appreciate where it is you're coming from, but it sounds to me like you're pretty fed up so i think its reasonable waht you've decided about our comps i understand as well but I think the main reason we struggled was solely money. When we started the hall was rented out of council generosity but now its gone "private" we can't afford to pay for it, let alone any other costs we have. Even if we charged high rates it would still but un feasible. Basically (this is the bit you want to read btw ) I don't think there is any point in freeride_trials being an active body anymore. We are too far out of the way for most people to turn up to events, we have too many financial issues to run the club and as you said there isn't as much commitment. Anyway, dont stop riding normal trials atleast