I speak for quite a few im sure What are you on about/What is your point exactly For a start BS 6102 has many factors including cable thickness, bolt torque ratings, saddle adjustments etc. Just because you suggesting they will snap (on what grounds im still unclear) doesn't mean they're not following british standards Secondly Phase is not saracen, so whatever problems you may have experiance with MAD frames before when they were saracen doesn't mean the voodoo bad luck has been passed on with the name to these frames. Same design maybe (tweaked for 2007 or whenever) but NOT THE SAME...... Thirdly Id like to see some evidence of Bare in mind im talking about phase, not saracen. Just because the design is the same, doesn;t mean everything else is....... Now if any of this is wrong then feel free to correct me, but I just don't see where all of this comes from in all honesty.....