And even still, the only way hes paid is because he's got off his arse to make his own bikes and by riding hes advertising. Its not fair, the HUGE amount of talent out there and I mean younger generation (no offence to you golden oldies ) who are riding and recieving no credit for their efforts. Just police warnings.... Me personally I'd like to practice my skills up to and beyond sponsorship level. But Im not pushing myself harder FOR a sponsor, they can come to me (if you get me ) Its not my ambition in life to advertise a company through a sport I love. Im not slating for one second those who do this by the way, those that do advertise selectbikes tarty mjcycles etc. do a very good job of it, its just not my cup of tea Also as you said dave, the "crap" deals of 10% of components although useful, is just not enough for most people to devote themselves...... *This reply contains no malicious intentions or content. Please dont twist my words. b*st*rds.