--> QUOTE(joe b @ Jan 20 2007, 09:58 PM) ←Where do you get this from? Is it stupidly expensive; did you just download it? of course not, downloading is very naughty and illegal mike I thought you did that in pro desktop eh? eh? and to add to my laziness, i was thinking of just making a cylinder on the inside and texturing it with a picture of spokes same images, lower r_speeds / polygon count etc.