yep its that hydroxx again. firstly this isnt a stab at ben or fred, this is not their fault but its the tards at koxx design or manufacture that need to see this: Went to back wheel a low wall (cos im crap) and the back brake slipped out and I landed on my back. With the bars still in my hands the top tube was about 8 inches away from the wall and as it swung down due to gravity, it went "dunk" i though "shit im scratched the paint" but oh no, it left a nice 10mm deep dent in it (pics to follow soon) now I know they've far from indestructable but ive not had time to really thrash this frame, probably only ridden it properly 6-7 times? and its dented already. And yes i do know that top tubes dont take alot of impact but surely from a little bump like this it shoudn't dent! so to say im pissed off is an understatement really. This bike costs about 3 times as much as a zona zip which is stronger and has less problems to set up. TAKE NOTE FRENCHIES: stronger frames = happy riders im not saying people should steer clear of this frame. the geometry is very nice indeed: truly awesome for natural just SO enjoyable. but in terms of technical issues and reliability, im put off completley from it and dont particular want to sit on it incase it bends more, if you're thinking of getting one ask yourselves these questions to avoid disappointment: Are you a basher? if no, then dont buy Do you fall off a lot (not dabbing)? if yes dont buy Do you run rear hope? if yes do buy like i said, im not putting anyone off or slagging koxx off but sorry imo koxx, you've got this one wrong