maybe its just me but, did he apply the brakes at all in that incident? lol if he had, maybe he wouldn't have absolutly destroyed his wheel and just put a buckle in it instead ah well i cant believe how riduclously weak those rims are. fair enough lightness and all that but thats why i deteste roadies, theres no use for their bikes except on road conditions. Every other bike (including trials bikes) can be used to ride to and from places over "Bumps" and theirs can't because the frames are designed to take vertical motion. meh sorry im angry, had a drive by shouting from a gang of chavs in a transit