Lets repeat everything that everyone has repeated like 10 each, then verify it. "you will probably get more clearance in UCI" well, basically, whats the need in having a bach guard in UCI... when your not even meant to use the bash "you get better balance" thats what your left had crank arm is for "i use ma bash loads in street say the wall is to high to back wheel or go straight up" Ride smaller walla intill you can backwheel that high... unless you will just learn to go to bash guard, and not to back wheel. "I said to my mate why do you think a Gu and other mod frames dont have a bashplate and we come to the conclusion that these kind of frames may just be made for street" Why just for street? seeing as there isnt any trials competitions that are in the "street" trials is baised around competitions. "still i see no reason why you have to run a bash plate in comp i no a fair few riders that dont and there riding fine with out then" They will probably be riding better in a few years time that what people ride bikes with a bash plate, as they have to learn how to go straight to 2/1 wheel(s) without using their bash, and therefore, learn to do bigger things. people with bash's "cheat" because they know if they fail, they are just going to hit their bash plate, when people with a guard, know if they fell, they will probably hit their frame.. making them "go for" the move alot more, and in most cases, succeed in trying that move. Thats what i think anyways UCI 4 LYF BRUVAS