Werd. I dont know what peoples gripe with onza is? There realeasing new frame ideas, (such as the lowered chainstay) and people slag them off, but as soon as echo do something new, or koxx, everyone ques up to put there nob in the headtube, Why?? Just because its seens as a 'starter' company, dont mean there top end stuff is going to be crap? I have had a t-rex frame for comming upto a year now, might be a year actually, and I've given that some hammer (a bit bigger then our average you see ) And it go no signs of snapping soon, so just get over the fact that it dosent have koxx or echo or zoo writen on it, and ride it. Tom