Was thinking of that, but then I'd kill the frame when I missed an up to rear wheel... Haha, nice Might do that, and the rear too, if I can be arsed - will only save about 25g the pair. Should be doing that fairly soon :wink2: Sort of, it was more you saying my brakes were shit and then crapping yourself when you rode my bike cos they were so good? That's right yeah? Its lighter cos of the new brakes Inur (160 front instead of 180). More pics when my forks are on (damn you Craig!)