'To be confirmed' (and see my comment below). These are cheap full bikes! When I started trials, £550 wouldn't even get you a cheapo jump frame with terrible geometry (-25bb, 1010 wheelbase, 395 stays), some old steel forks off an XC bike that would bend forwards and backwards every ride, a pair of LX V Brakes, some unbranded riser bar and 60mm stem with 25.4 clamp that would undoubtedly snap when you least expected it, LX on D521 wheels (if you were lucky), Tioga DH tyres (that you had to cut the side nobbles off to get them to clear the frame), FSA cranks in Yellow with DMR bashring (if you were posh, home-made all the way though and a chainring that would bend if you looked at it, V8 copy pedals, a Sram chain, cheap steel headset, heavy massive 12-30 8-speed cassette, a Sora mech that twatted your chainstay every time you hopped and a thumbshifter that left bruises on your thighs every time you tried to bunnyhop. I really don't see why these bikes are so 'bad'? They are for beginners and the price reflects that! I'm not a fan of the graphics, but the frame would last any rider right through their 'career' (don't forget that he very same geometry won the world champs in 2004) and is an excellent base. If anyone can give me GENUINE reasons why the Hitman and Cleaner (and Spyrogyra too for that matter) bikes are bad then I would like to hear them Adam