Good exuse for putting the price way higher than any other company? And when it comes to quality, koxx frames crack, echo's don't. I dont think people care if koxx helps champs or not, they want a good bike, at a good price, that can handle a lot of stress. And so what if koxx helps champs, ther's no reason for putting the price in the sky, is it? I know koxx have done a lot for the sport, (blabla ) They make good frames, no doubt about it. I think there is more deng frames out in the street than koxx frames. Because most of the koxx frames are comp frames, made of thinner material. And therefore lighter. Why don't koxx make a propper street frame at a reasonable price? If koxx sold more bikes, i dont think they would have to charge like 800£ for a frame. It's obviously that koxx doesn't care about the price market. And i think waynio is more anti deng, than matt is anti koxx. Why complaining about matt saying he's an walking advertisement, when you do the exactly same thing yourself? No offence.. Just my opinion.