come to swansea this thursday OK. to clear some things up. i got that frame for 3 reasons: one, because i needed a frame for a bit for when i sent iolo my curtis to have 4 bolt mounts brazed on but now i'v discovered 4 bolts are still shit. two, because i was curious to see what all the fuss was about. not really to follow the trend. three, it was a good price. anyway, when i was taking apart my curtis to put all the bits on the ashton i discovered a nice little crack under the headtube. so i'll see if iolo fancies doing that instead because quite frankley i think the chances of curtis doing it are slim to none. OH!! also at the same time found a crack in the leg of my echo pures just above the magy mount. SUCKS TO BE ME!!!!