Max Quinn

Yer, i don't think it's an industry you can just jump into to be honest. You'd need the passion for it and probably need to skate or something like it to have the contacts in it if you get me? But i was more using it for an example of other things you could go into, dirt jump/downhill and other mountainbiking are all linked to trials for example and i'd be suprised if you don't know a fair bit about that scene.

Yer, i'm just saying that from what i can tell skating provides alot more work in that sense and has a bigger (/better) arts scene . More focus on photography/videography/graphic design/deck graphics/branding etc so provides more jobs like that. Just as an example of how you can look further afield to something still strongly related to what you're set on being involved in

Yer same, i always find it wierd how when i shoot local skateboarders (who may also be filmers so half into media or just generally read skate magazines more then i do) they always tell me to not time for the actual flip but for just before the catch when they slam their feet into the board I can never tell what's going on in skate photos of flips even though i'm pretty sure i know most flips. It wasn't so much the photoography side that i meant though, there just seems to be so much more artists and designers working in the skate industry. Board graphics and just general branding and art direction is thought about much more. One of the latest books i've picked up for example, 'Concrete to Canvas- Skateboarders Art' is just something you'd never find in bmx/trials/mtb and is full of artists/designers/illustrators who got into art through skating or work in skateboarding. Excuse my tangent, ooone to many tonight

Looking at the title of this thread i thought we were on about just Fatpants in general........epic fail. To add to this, i reckon the other thing is to broaden it a bit. Not speaking from experience or anything but you're into trials so could look at similair things in mountainbiking where there will be alot more jobs (i doubt trials provides many jobs AT ALL in comparison). I'm into BMX but also have a bit of a foothold in skate so i'd absolutely love to work on the art side of a skate company where there seems to be alot more jobs then in BMX for example. Although in all industries like this it does seem to be alot about who you know to me. Networking.

Who is jumpphotography? Just curious cos obv the site is down at the minute.

*Goes to youtube to stir some more shit about Frika*

You know i might even be on this if i'm free. Come down on the bmx, piss about an take some photos. I might be on holiday on the day though so don't put me down yet

That said, we built a whole new jump at our old trails for someone to try flips. Basically a good sized take off and then a maassiivee pile of dirt where the landing should be but not packed at all (pretty chalky dirt with no stones made it VERY forgiving) and kinda going right up to the take off like a table. He got pretty f**king close first go but still ended up in a sling for a week or so (nothing major just sprained arm or summat). Has since learnt it on foam then resi an stuff.

My mate snapped the middle connector thing that goes above the wheel (i dunno how to explain it, looks like a front booster lol) doing a foot high 180 out of a fly out at Harrow Then he got DJ1s and snapped them sharpish aswell Smooth rider so musta just been super bad luck.

From my limited experience into a foampit (went in for a bit at Corby, kinda got flips after 10 goes or so but not confidently or nothing and then got bored of climbing out of the foam and waiting about so went to the street course) that second step isn't tooo good. Pulling the bars into you won't do alot as you need to kinda use your weight more then the bikes as you're alot heavier then the bike(even if your 14 and ride a 24" ). The people who land them seem to be the ones who don't arch their backs with the bars into their dick. That's just an upside down bar shag to head lander. The ones who land them seem to have their knees bent and crouch more as instead of just pulling the bike and hoping their body wiull go with it they pull their body so that the bike will go with it. I can't explain it, foam is reccomended but if your serious then i've seen people learn it on concrete. Never getting it first go but kinda landing to roughly two wheels and then collapsing, then getting it after about 5-10 of them.

Now i've just gotta convince someone to come with me out of like, the 0 of my friends that are into decent Hip Hop.

I'm gonna ask Homer if i can blag it through Passion but dunno if there's room or whatever. If not i'll go to the local paper cos they're always desperate for stories and The Subways (who are from Watford) are playing.

I don'tcompletely agree with that to be honest. One of my best friends say is a really clever guy (got into best school in the area and did well for most of it) but around GSCE year just kinda blew out and had NO motivation. Messed around, dossed and generally had fun. Got allright GCSE's still and started A levels but about a month in just had no motivation for it. Teachers were giving him a hard time which made it even worse. Was fairly obviouse he wasn't going to achieve anything like his potential so he dropped out. Signed up to a job agency and is now working an office job earning £16,000 a year starting salary and low and behold is enjoying it and doing well. He won't achieve what he could have if he had had the motivation but he's happy with where he's at and is the kinda person who doesn't want to be a millionaire and would prefer to just enjoy life. Fair enough, what would have been the point in wasting 2 years getting low a levels (if at all)? For me personally and probably you too it's hard to understand how you can have no motivation for it and would say get on with it ect but some people just don't really suit education whether they're clever or not. It's not just intelligence you need but a concentration span and the actual will to learn what you're learning. I don't wanna say yer just drop out or whatever but it's something only you an decided with the help from people close to you. Sure get knowledge and opinions from here but take it all with a pinch of salt and try and really think where you can see yourself 10 years down the line if you take whatever path. Oh and you're near your exams now so at least get that done! If it was me personally who had worked a year then i'd prefer to just slog out the extra year to get the full thing but your choice.

Way i see it was that i smashed GCSEs and school is going well so i've stayed on for A levels and then wanan do a BA in graphic design/photography probably with an Arts foundation in front of it. I'm kinda built for education i guess, in that i can put up with it and am good at tests and stuff so it's the best option. A fair few of my friends however either didn't start A levels or dropped out a bit through the first year, they simply couldn't concentrate in school and had no motivation for it so were'nt gonna achieve what they could achieve. I don't blame them for dropping out and if i was them woulda done the same. They're all now doing pretty good in the working world or apprentice jons and it's worked out good for them. It does narrow their options but they seem happy, are doing what they wanna do and are alot more minted then me lol. I just think you can go either way and its completely down to the person. No point doing A levels if you can't muster up the motivation and think you'll do shit but from my limited experience definately do them if you do.

Just depends how battered you wanna get and if you take a camping stove with cheap food in order to combat the £100 hot dogs.

Yer man! Might take the bmx but doubt it, the parks you can ride are nothing special and super packed so i'd rather just enjoy it all and not have to worry about my bike personally Gonna try and blag a press pass too Should be awweeesooomme. Roll on summer of festivals haha.

That's wierd People put them in there houses and stuff, i've yet to see someone in these rooms in their house though. I reeaaalllyy want to hit a massive stencill in front of one of these haha. If anyone finds one round london let me know

Forgot to mention. Go on the Itunes Store and search 'IndieFeed'. Subscribe to the 'IndieFeed Hip Hop Podcast'. Its free and will automatically give you a new track every week. It's from mainly US artists but the best of the US so is still pretty sick. Where i found out about brother ali and in turn the rest of the rhymsayers crew. Every track is sick and means you can just get more stuff from whoever you like the best but personally i love almost everyone of the 250 or so tracks i've got through indiefeed.

Go on Suspect Packages that i linked earlier. Find Braintax. Click 'listen to preview' or whatever the button is on whatever album/mixtape. Buy favourite one

The myspace of that Gesus guy i mentioned earlier cos you will never find any trace of him otherwise haha. Listen to 'Wasters what they named you' and check Astranautalis while your at it. http://www.myspace.com/thesisthelasttime

Pretty comprehensive listings in here lads. Most of the US stuff i'm into has been listed so here's more from the UK: Wordsmith Jehst Another vote for Phi Life Cypher Skinnyman L. Man Murs Task Force (and Chester P in general) Bashy Braintax Klashnekoff Izzy G Kyza Kid Rad Black Twang Conman Vigilant Jabba The Kut First and Last (you heard it here first super good, should be doing a gig with them around Watford sooonnish) Roots Manuva Killa Instinct Conspicious Lewis Parker Verb T Loudmouth Plan B Example Professor Green Chynaman Skitz Terra Firma Asaviour London Zoo Tripple Darkness The Meteorix Dirty Diggers Akala Check Suspect Packages for cds. Nice guys, quick postage, super big range and you can listen to everything online before you buy. HHB Radio for internet radio and good compilation CDs UKHH for another good compilation CD Some US stuff not mentioned. Gesus (really small super underground producer but did an awesome track with a jonny cash sample about a graffiti artist, Waster, who died so he sent it over to me. Amazing track) Pharoahe Monch Pete Philly Eyedea and Abilities The Beat Junkies Lavs Labs (The bmxer TJ Lavin, his track about Steven Murray is pretty sick) Deep Puddle Dynamics

Orange represent! Man, is it possible to be too excited?

Haha. I'm going with about 40 people. No offence but i dunno if i can be arsed to waste time meeting up though Haasslleee. Wear a tarty bikes tee shirt or something and people will spot you

I'd definately sell it. I'm up for dancing about to the bands but don't really give a shit about meeting them to be honest. And do you really wanna be on some poncey balcony while everyone else is jumping about enjoying the atmosphere lol? And Jon. I have none left myself A few mates will do after we've totalled it all up but i think they wanna sell to local people first. I'll shoot you a message if theres any to sell to you Dunno if my mates will be greedy about it an ask for ebay prices though loooll.

Wooop me too! Can't wait for some of the other acts to be announced to, some good rumours on some of them. Of the 10 people in our group buying 4 tickets each everyone got through We found this backdoor link straight to the order page on seetickets so no refreshing no hassle woop! Line up is sick haha, Rage and Feeder just for old times sake