Ali C

I'm sure if Damon or Neil actually entered with a good creative video they'd have done really well, If people don't enter they won't win. I may have mis-read you but "is there a place for displays of pure talent?" Are you suggesting that people who ride TGS are the only ones with "pure talent"? Again I may not have got read that in the way intended

As I said before though, there shouldn't be a limit to what a trials rider can do. you've made a choice with your bike setup that allows you to do some moves bigger/further but you've sacrificed the ability to bunnyhop and spin well. I have absolutely no problems with that at all. The only issue I have is that people who can ride on rocks AND do 360 bunnyhops get told we're riding over sized BMXs and don't ride trials. I completely understand that some moves have come from BMX but that's the beauty of the types of bike we ride, we can do it all and that's the fundamental spirit of trials that attracted me at the start. I'd argue that my 24" inspired is more of a trials bike in the purest essence than a long bike that actually makes a lot of things impossible, but again I have no issue with long bikes (I rode one for years) but I think people need to accept there's more than one way to ride a bike.

Still waiting for answers to my questions btw :'(

I still want to know where people's point of no return is. I feel 360 pivot drops are accepted in trials despite not really having much use, however I think if you did a 360 bunnyhop drop which is harder, that wouldn't be accepted. I ride the same bike as Mark and I'd consider it a trials bike of the purest type, I can ride everything on it, however I can't do a lot of moves to the biggest degree. But that is my choice, I like how I can ride everything and I am willing to sacrifice height of a few moves to get that. The road bike argument isn't the same. riding bikes from place to place is as essential as walking, yet when I walk to the kitchen I am not called a "walker" I am just "going" to the kitchen, same with riding a bike from place to place...all I am doing is "riding".

serious question, when is the change over? Am I allowed to do a 360 pivot drop? Or how about a stoppie? If Stoppies are allowed then the next step up from that in difficulty is a nose manual which a lot of people may not say is trials, but why not celebrate doing something that is harder than with brakes? Is the location the turning point? I know a few people are commenting that he's riding in a skatepark, if he was on some rocks carved by the wind to be ramp shapes would that be better? I'm not having a dig I'm just curious, there has to be some point in peoples minds where the limit has been crossed.

he is oddly enough

That picture was to just take the piss out of Bing, they are giving a funny look and trying not to laugh...

He's not on an Inspired, plus I know of some Hull rider who is fairly vocal about his feelings that Inspired's are not trials bikes only to be beaten at a comp by a rider on a Hex.....go figure.

this old argument...... Firstly, if he's coming from a bmx background then it's not too surprising that he's going to be doing stuff like this. secondly who can say what is or isn't trials? Being able to ride over anything in your path is what makes a good trials rider, be it rocks, pallets, logs or yes, even ramps. I don't think there needs to be a defined line between what is or isn't trials, why would it even matter? He's having fun on a bike and I think that's more important than putting everything in a labelled box. When I started trials, bikes resembled "street trials" bikes of today and riders would ride comps, street and ramps on the same bike and that's why trials is so great, there isn't and shouldn't be a right and wrong way of doing it.

You see, I get labled a TGS hater despite actually enjoying a good tgs video, then you come along and put comments like that possibly discouraging a fairly new young rider.....think about that.

yeah I totally agree, it IS crap :wink2:

sweet, keep it up

I was talking about total weight of normal luggage rather than just bike allowance. Last time I flew I used my cardboard box wrapped in tape to waterproof it a bit and a skateboard attached to make it easier to pull. With my bike and clothes it came1kg under the total allowance (which was handy). I may be mistaken with the weight though, it could have been 22~kg My box with padding.loads of tape, skateboard and innertube handles came in pretty heavy, I think it's not impossible to have a box made at roughly the same weight.

Flipp was saying that the old Marino frames were strong too, so if anything it was a 'pro Marino' post rather than trying to say 'Screw Marino, buy JAF'.

just thought with a curved end you might be able to pass it off as an instrument, but It's no big deal if that's harder/heavier to do.

the old bike bag I used to use was close to15kg on it's own and even a cardboard box when taped up and padding fitted (and a couple of other mods) ended up weighing more than the bike did. the usual luggage allowance I've found is 32-35kg, so if you work out the combined weight of a case and bike and find it's less than that then I'd say it's alllllll good

can they be made with curved ends? Like a wheel shape

I'd be interested depending on the price, I travel a couple of times a year and just don't have the space for a bag at home. I's say make it as small as possible while still getting long frames in. Most bike bags are designed to take bikes up to DH size and that's just not needed for trials bike. I don't mind taking my wheels off if it means it's uber small. It would also have the advantage of being lighter and less likely to give you excess baggage costs. Would be cool if it was disguised as something else, I know some flights charge more for bikes than say golf items.

I'd take the 10 degrees backsweep but not the upsweep Every bar company should include total rise. It's like supplying a frame and not telling all the geo.

You'd look at up-sweep too. It's like those Trialtechs. if they were measured like the rest of the world they'd only be a 2" maybe 2.5" rise bar, but in reality the important bit where your hands actually go are more like 3" rise. I'd rather know where my hands are going to be rather than where some bent bits of tube are. Same with Da-Bombs, I'd rather know they are 100mm (or whatever) tall where my hands sit rather than 75mm where my hands don't sit. Once I see how tall a bar is, I can then look at the angle of rise to see if it's wrist friendly or not.

Measuring bars by only using the rise of the bend is silly, I got so frustrated trying to find a bar last year because you can't use that measurement to work out which bar is the tallest. Using total rise is the only sure fire way of working out which bar is the tallest.

I think a few people will get it and that's cool with me