I have a name for these new riders on pythons and pitbuls..............TGS!!!! well, iolo came up with it, it means Tap Gap Sidehop as it seems thats all they do, do they even need a front wheel for most of the stuff they do? I aint saying those three moves are bad though, I do them all the time, but I also do other stuff.....Like Mr Boon was saying, give me a ft high wall and I could spend hours on it. then theres the Zoo technique......carrying your bike up onto walls so you can just jump off, WHATS THE POINT!!!!! My general rule of thumb is that if I cant ride up onto somthing, then I wont ride it at all (doesnt apply to 100% of the cases though)