heh heh, cheers man Kings are good hubs, I rode the same one for 3 years BUT it did slip and it got worse over time. I have got friends who have used kings and not liked them (iolo had one for a week, it skipped a full rotation and took a lot of skin off him, so he sold it and got a hope) My hope has been perfect for the 10 months I have dad it, not one skip yet!! Anyway, I dont wanna provoke an argument, hopes and kings are both good hubs.