Very good point! I am annoyed at you for pointing out my stupidity Still, street is just outside my house and natural is up some of the steepest hills around, so street is still the easier option for me, but I find natural more challenging, thats what I meant. The other side to the argument is that you can make street challenging too, Rowan is a perfect example, I doubt I could do half the stuff he does. I think the best comprimise would be a comp but in the streets, man made stuff with normal UCI rules, or maybe add a "no strato dab" rule so that everyone has to at least attepmt to ride their bikes up stuff.