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Our company is now offering $100 giftcard if you get vaccinated. But certainly no requirements to get vaccinated. I don't really think that less people are vocal about people who aren't getting vaccinated is a sign of acceptance, but I see (like Mike said) the hype dying down. People still have their opinions I'm sure.

I'll take the boosters as I'm suggested. Here it seems they're currently suggesting the elderly and at risk people get their boosters. I'm sure at some point this year I'll be eligible for mine working reail. I really only have to wear a mask in hospitals or on public transport. Everything else is mask free if you're vaccinated. The US seems to be coming out of the delta spike, to a very different situation as to what's happening in the UK. But yeah, very sick and tired of it like everyone else.

Installed a dropper to the fatbike, obviously the saddle bag had to go so I found a frame bag that fits the triangle perfectly. Took it for a test spin on the most technical trail in riding distance called Stone Age. Yes, that rock it's leaning against is part of the trail, no, I didn't make it over.

What you're saying doesn't line up with the rest of reality though, even if you believe the government isn't reporting side effects properly, with numbers like 13% all having abnormal heart rhythm, there would be a worldwide heath crisis right now, millions would be flocking to their doctors and getting diagnosed with heart issues, but that simply isn't happening. I would certainly have a health inspector check out that Sainsburys though! I don't doubt what you're saying, but it's some extreme anecdotal evidence and I don't think those results would be typical outside of your friend group. With regards to cancer prevalence / other diseases, don't forget that as we learn to cure and treat other illnesses, it just allows us to live long enough to get the ones we can't treat yet. It doesn't mean they're increasing. But couldn't agree more with your comments about being healthy to prevent things like this. Getting shingles after Christmas made me realize that I need to not get so stressed out and I needed to quite the boozing (two things I'm sure didn't help my immune system health at the time).

You purposefully took my quote out of context. When I said "I don't think we fully know yet" I was referring to how the vaccine affects the spread of covid, not anything about the vaccines safety or effectiveness. The Pfizer vaccine has been approved by the US FDA, it has been for about a month now. It's still under emergency use authorization for 12-15 year olds.

Your entire comment talks about covid as anything else other than a public health issue, then you end that comment with "Covid is no longer a public health topic but is now totally politicized", so let me ask you this, who's politicizing it? Everything you've said outside of "we don't know the long term data" is completely political, and has no bearing on the effectiveness and safety of the vaccine, which is really what we're talking about here. The way it's been handled by the government, how Boris will be looked back on in history, the yellow star comparison and Brexit have nothing to do with a vaccine that's been used globally. I didn't say potential side effects, I said risks. I don't believe anyone in here has justified not taking the vaccine under any reasoning that would be considered a risk, but I'm happy to be corected. Manuel said "does nothing to decrease transmission". Everyone understands you can still transmit if you're vaccinated. It's possible it might be transmitted more due to people not realizing they're infected and not quarantining or staying home from work, or it could be transmitted less because you'll be infected for a shorter time and less coughing etc, I don't think we fully know yet. First of all, the Pfizer vaccine is FDA approved. Secondly, as I've said before, there are vaccines out there that don't use the mRNA tech, but I assume you're just as unlikely to go get vaccinated with one of those?

Well yeah sure the fitter you are the less likely covid is gonna wreck you. But if we were all within a good bmi range and exercised a lot, we'd be in a better position, but covid would still be a big deal. People would still be getting horrifically sick, ending up in hospital and dying. Doesn't matter how fit and healthy you are, you can still have medial issues, and people are still going to be old. To me this kind of talk is just a distraction. What this whole debate boils down to is the risks of being unvaccinated v the risks of the vaccine. My issue is I don't see any significant evidence that there's any risk in the vaccine, and I don't think anyone here has presented anything substantial to show that the vaccine is riskier than not taking it other than hypothetical long term effects. I get that it's people choice to take it or not, I just taking the vaccine is the right one.

I didn't realize that they don't vaccinate for chicken pox yet in the uk. I recently got shingles and I spoke to many people younger than me about Chicken Pox and they didn't even know what it is. Turns out they all get the vaccine now. I disagree that we should agree to disagree on meds being the "lazy option". Unless you consider driving your car to work the "lazy option" rather than getting fit and running the distance every day? I understand the hesitancy I really do, what I don't understand is the logic behind thinking there's more risk in the vaccine, than there would be in getting covid.

I never said anything about forcing people to get vaccinated. Mandating it for certain things, we can discuss those individually. We know about the long term effects of the covid vaccine as much as we know the long term effects of any medication. What about the Chicken Pox vaccine? We "don't know the long term side effects of that". Every new flu vaccine every year "we don't know the long term side effects of that". You can be the fittest person on the planet, covid still can kill you, or become a drain on the healthcare service of a country. And yeah we're probably going to have to live with covid just like we do with the flu, with flair ups here and there, new strains, who knows maybe we'll eradicate it in a few decades. Vaccines are the tool we have to deal with it right now, certainly not the lazy option, what more can we do?

Now that I can agree with. I was playing about with google lens the other day translating stuff from Spanish to English just by pointing my phone at it. Imagine if you could take that technology and place it into ordinary pair of glasses, you could just look at a bird and google would tell you what type of bird it is. 100% going to happen.

Adam I'm not really doubting any of the statistics you posted. It just seems like such an odd outlook on life to have. What I mean by that is, it's like saying in the 7/7 terrorist attacks, just 70 people were killed which is a tiny number compared to those who die every day, so who cares? Why make a big deal about it. But anyway, we can spend billions on food and health education, we just don't know how effective it's going to be. You can't force people to eat healthy and go out and exercise. You can only encourage it. But for things like covid, it's really simple to go out and get a jab, a jab where there's no evidence that shows it'll harm you in anyway (outside of 1 in a million side effects), a jab that shows it can greatly reduce the affect covid has on you. Any of one us on this forum could die from covid. Maybe our last post in our post history could be saying how f**king bad covid is and they're hoping they don't have to go to hospital. That could very well be the last thing they post. Sure, we're generally all young and somewhat healthy due to the nature of why we're all here. But the idea that you can take a jab and reduce the chances of that happens by at least 75%, and people being adamantly against that, I just don't get it.

I'm completely disagree with your first 4 points. All but one seems to be conspiracy theories so I won't touch them. But yeah, all roads lead to electric cars. Every other type of fuel needs reasonable amount of effort to make. Electricity can just be made by sticking a windfarm or a solar panel in a field somewhere, and we already have the infrastructure to get electricity to our homes. The only reason electric cars aren't more popular is because there's so little places to charge them, and people are reluctant to build charging places because there's such a small amount of electric cars on the road. Once that vacuum breaks, we'll see an explosion of electric cars. More so when we figure out how to store electricity better. As for the next 20 years, I think we'll see real advances in cancer research. I think mRNA advances due to covid will really push that tech on to cancer and we'll see the numbers drop dramatically. Brick and motor stores will have been decimated by 2040 and we'll see a resurgence of small local stores that sell a little bit of everything. Seeing a drone flying through the air will be a common occurrence.

Me and my wife had a bit of a "ah shit" moment recently. There's a organization out here that helps low to moderate income people buy homes. They do this by basically selling you the home and they keep ownership of the land. This means that you get the home, it's yours, and you rent the land for about 25 pounds a month. If and when you sell the home, you sell it for the price you paid minus 75% of the increased value of the home (you buy a 100k home and when you sell it's valued at 160k, you sell it for $115 through the same organization). Also before they sell you the property they go in and fix up the place, new doors, floors and sometimes a new roof. We saw a home being sold through this organization for 100k, the total property (with land) valued at 160k, without the land, 130k, and there was an additional 30k knocked off the price. We never intended to go for this place, and sale was already pending, but we realized we could actually apply and hope something similarly prices comes along. So we apply for the program, do all the paper work, get accepted. And then we realize that the 30k that was knocked off the home is only for people who're a member of our local Chippewa Tribal Band (aka Native Americans). We're still going to go forwards with the organization, but we doubt we'll get something decent for $100k these days.

Isn't that basically what he's saying. Ali said he knows loads of people who've been tested positive for covid with no symptoms as an example of the test been inaccurate. But given that people do get asymptomatic covid, I don't see an issue with that. Ali, just take the free test, if it comes back positive, you can buy the more accurate one, or not and just say home for a while to be safe. If it's free you have nothing to lose.

Go get tested, no reason not to.

It may be anecdotal but I have two relatives who work in hospitals. Word gets around, basically everyone in there with covid are unvaccinated. But anyway.. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html study done between May and August.

Well both but especially catching it. 98% of people hospitalized with covid right now and unvaccinated. Honestly whenever I talk to someone who hasn't taken the vaccine I wonder that if they ever end up in hospital thinking they're dying, calling loved ones to say their goodbyes, I would ever regret not putting more effort into convincing them to get vaccinated.

It was posted in 2 different threads I believe. But I think if any video deserves it's own thread, that would be it!

I really wouldn't consider traveling if you're not vaccinated, it's surely the worst thing you can do right now or anytime in the next few months.

Does it kill them? because if so I might start taking it.

Are you talking to yourself Ali or did some posts get deleted?

Pretty interesting video about a riders wife over taking him not in skill, but in confidence.

I agree with much of what he's saying, ivermectin is a drug used in humans and Joe isn't taking the meds designed for horses, and it was very dishonest for anyone to report that. I've got no issue with people taking ivermectin, I have an issue with people saying they're going to take that instead of the vaccine, and possibly convincing others to do likewise who have vaccine hesitancy. Joe not taking the vaccine is the biggest mistake he could make when it came to his health. In another timeline, Joe could be dying in hospital right now as he never took the vaccine. Fortunately he sold out his podcast for $100 million so he could buy his way into monoclonal antibody therapy. Who knows where he'd be at without that.

I would guess 777,777 for the most syllables.