aren't they high enough now?? there's plenty of high bb's to choose from at the moment and really if you look at the trends frames are now mostly around +20-40mm bb i think . i think the way frames are progressing it's doing ok, i mean take bmx's for example, they haven't changed much over the years in terms of looks have they? they don't need to visually look different, it'll look cool no doubt if it doesn't work then what's the point? (pointing at some of the koxx frames never been put into production) - but being innoventive (sp?) is good, who knows 1 day the trials frame could look completely different to what we have now.. the better frame designs have already been designed and some has lasted (take the levelboss for example) and many frames now are pretty much 'based' on a similar design as it's set a trend... what i'd like to see in the future is experimental with materials.. i mean frames used to be all steel, now they're mainly alu with a few exceptions, but it'll be cool if there's something that really stands out and give a good weight-strength ratio. steve