OOOPS SORRY BEN ON TROWLERS ACCOUNT HERE nah i like the discussion, i dont like to argue with people on here, because firstly its not tough arguin on the internet. I can see your point, and you can see mine. Everyone has an opinion, i was probably a little strong on the fact that i hate this topic. Ill let u off though ah i see what you mean ali. i dont particularly measure stuff anymore, i know if its big by my standards and i know if its not. i dont like to inch hunt, but i do do it sometimes because i like to go big, it makes me feel good about my riding, but at the moment, i like to mix it up. I hate to copy stuff. but there are some things that i cant do (because of shit ability/lack of strength and getting sick when spinning ) that i wish i could do. I enjoy it. I think Ali has summed it up with his erm.......summery DO WHAT YOU LIKE, WHERE YOU LIKE, ON WHAT BIKE YOU LIKE, AND DO WHAT YOU DO. ace finish to the discussion