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I share the fence sitting mentality to a degree, as in, from my position as a layman I can't look directly at the experimental evidence and pass critical judgment. However, you can assume when a a large portion of scientists are saying that something is happening, that this increases the probability of it being true, from your position. Is the potential result of sitting on the fence in ambivalence worth the chance of what might go wrong? You could be still sitting there by the time it is too late, if indeed that is possible or hasn't already happened. If the chances of something happening was 50/50 and the negative result was totally detrimental to life on earth, or earth as life, wouldn't it be worth acting upon? I do understand the position of apathy, it is nicer not to think about things that involve hassle and no instant gratification, but when the time comes (if it does), then people are going to be feeling pretty crap, regardless of what the attitude they hold in the present. The only person who really doesn't care would literally be a psychopath, because it relates to a total inconsideration to those whom you love. I guess it's no different to smoking, drinking or eating badly though with regards to investing in your future health. I'm not passing judgment though, I consider myself in this analysis. My position is that if we are to deal with these problems we require investing more money in science to counteract the negative aspects of the technology we use and benefit from. I don't want us to use technology less, because it carries with it so many benefits, in other regards. I don't think it's about owing or not owing. I think if we treat our environment well, remembering that we are separate and a part of that environment at the same time, it will feed back on us and benefit us. The more you love your environment, quite simply, the better you feel. This, I think, is highly logical. Or we can disregard our environment, pay no attention to it and put it in a condition where it becomes totally undesirable. In addition to missing out on experiencing positive feeling towards that environment, we will also suffer other problems such as a reduction in the quality and amount of resources we have to use.

Certainly. It's like method of carbon offsetting related to flying whereby you donate, perhaps a tiny percentage, of what it costs you to fly so that some plant life can be grown helping combat the problem you just caused by flying. The difficulty is that the offsetting is minimal relative to amount of carbon emissions you just contributed to. I think it's simply a way of easing guilt and that business has recognised that fact and has cleverly begun to make money from it. However, I appreciate the fact that people don't completely not care, even if at the moment their efforts are simply token ones. Some effort is certainly more desirable than no effort in my eyes.

They'll probably look at us in the future and think something similar. It's all just relative to where you've developed. Just thank f**k that you've been lucky enough to escape that sort of environment at this time in our evolution

Those Tories must be a very powerful political group to have defined the global warming positions of scientists across the world. The science (the majority that I've come across) seemingly supports global warming as happening and as a result of our behaviour. It makes sense when you consider the world as an organism in itself (the gaia theory). Just like the cell in your body, it requires the correct balance of relative materials otherwise the overall health of the cell changes and potentially dies. Balance is an inescapable rule of organization. The eco-sphere is a form of organization, which if not balanced will result in entropy (disorganisation). I don't trust that the ambiguity against global warming isn't supported by large companies who wish to maintain the status quo - in other words, maintain their profits. This type of thing has been continually evidenced in all areas that relate to profit. The scientist supported by the oil company isn't so 'objective' when he has a large pay packet and a family to maintain/support. However, like somebody else mentioned, this might just be a cycle. I won't commit myself to an either/or stance, but I hold to the probability that we are causing global warming. It seems to make sense to take the chance that we are wrong and still attempt change with regards to our output of harmful materials into the environment. A cleaner environment that better relates to the health of its inhabitants, regardless of global warming being wrong seems like a win-win situation to me. It's easy to be apathetic about it now, but if you were to witness harm inflicted on your children and grandchildren and based on your contribution of inactivity toward resolving the situation, I think you'd be in for some strong sensations or guilt. Global warming won't not affect us, here in the UK as we are very dependent on the conditions of other countries for the acquisition of resources for our own use. If they are affected, so are we. Additionally, we risk problems of, funnily enough, both drought and flooding, amongst other things.

I don't like either. Should I start worrying about my gender?

Pros and cons I guess. I could imagine that if they were made compulsory, ultimately they would become the norm and nobody wouldn't think differently of it, much like the situation of motorbikes, or wearing your seat belt in the car. Personally, people putting less risk to their health with regard to simply purchasing and wearing a helmet, seems desirable. However, this represents another situation whereby people, and their ability to make decisions for themselves is again reduced. No-one can really say that they know better about something than somebody else with regards to right and wrongs. Right and wrong are ideas made up by individuals, as far as I can tell. In other words, they are inescapably personal. Really, those ideas just represent what people find desirable. Perhaps some people find not wearing a helmet desirable, just as you might find it undesirable. I'm more inclined to adopt a law that protects one person from another in a direct sense, such as violence but I'm a lot less inclined when it regards personal choices that are direct, only on the individual who makes them. All, we are talking about here is how we want others to behave. Despite not wanting people to get hurt, I don't want to tell others how to be, I want people to develop and learn from their own experience, not be thoughtless individuals who just follow the law for what it threatens and this requires my allowing people to get on with their experience. This may hold some harsh lessons but without those lessons, i think we risk a much less desirable situation. Then again, maybe I'm making too much about where a general trend might lead? I'm not sure why I always leave this sort of conversation until this time in the morning. It certainly makes concentration a bit more difficult. I hope what I said makes sense And I haven't got the patience right now to read through all that's been said so excuse me if I have simply repeated other people :1eye:

I snapped my frame today

Good healing and may the force be with you.

I'm pretty sure there was a popeye film with robin williams some years back. So kind've like Tomm says, why don't you d.l that from emule or bittorrent or something and nab the sound from that? I just searched isohunt.com and they seem to have plenty of popeye stuff...

I appreciate that and cheers for taking into consideration what I'm saying. I shall closely scrutinize your next effort

It could be a function of evolution whereby you are involved in the process which, under other circumstances, may have led to the production of a technology that helped you survive. Pleasure in an activity means participation in an activity which means produce from an activity. Imagine the caveman who gets pleasure from thinking about and then producing the ax which allows him to knock down a tree and build a canoe to get over to the island with all the plump animals for munching on. Basically, your pleasure may be an expression of a mechanism that previously aided our survival. Perhaps.

Superb riding and well filmed, which I always appreciate. Although I find it a shame that Stan's riding wasn't given the maximum showing because of the constant use of a wide angled lense. Of course that's a personal thing though Music went well with it all really well. Good job basically...

I spent 25 years of my life in Swindon, I've only just moved away from there to Bristol. There's not a massive amount of things to do, especially if you have any diverse interests although that's not entirely true. Yes, people do criticize Swindon a fair amount, I can understand that criticism but I'm not willing to say it's so bad. It's fairly peaceful at least. The riding is ok, there are plenty of walls to get up but it's no Bristol. There are, I think, about 4-5 riders there these days. You are though, right in the middle of Bristol, Reading and Oxford, via the train. This was always very convenient. My gf works for Npower, they are very good company to work for it would seem. They continually sort her out, in all sorts of ways, so good luck with that. If you really want to ask some more detailed questions about the place including contacts for Swindon riders, I'm on msn - trials_rider_ben@hotmail.com

That was very impressive, to say the least...

Practice meditation for 15 mins a day, every day for a month, and in as much as I feel confident about being as confident as I can be confident, I will state that it will make you feel very different (happier in other words). You could always meditate on a mantra, like "I will be happy" or "life's great". I write that with a sense of humour but it will probably work. Anyway, there's plenty of resources on the net to show you how to meditate if you want - it will work. Additionally, there's something called yoga nidra, which is the yogic sleep but also contains methods of auto suggestion - again look it up or there's a yoga nidra book you can get by a chap called swarmi satyananda. My experience, having spent most of my life, sometimes with crippling depression, is that meditation (and indian/mystical yoga) is the best method for realizing happiness. Anyway, I hope that helps.

Heh, sorry about that. The intro didn't feel that long for me but I guess it's the creative bit that does it for me where as individuals from the tf are more concerned with the riding, which is understandable I will make sure I get myself out to film some more riding like that which is produced by these two

Well, that assumes you definitely know something about it, which means you have presumably thought about it and what if you're wrong? Personally, I love thinking about this for the fact it reminds me how little I know and how amazing and complex the world is. It's always nice potentially coming to understand as well. That "eureka!" sensation.

Well the rest of the world is certainly bigger than me, so if it wants to push me about and make me do things, there's not much I can do about it. However, it does at least appear that I can make some choices when that big world outside of me isn't forcing me to do things. Like standing up right now and performing a windmill whilst I walk around the room singing "hit me baby one more time". So, it seems like a blend to me. You have choices within the confines of an environment which will ultimately set the limits of those choices. The problem is, that kind of assumes that I do have some separateness to my environment and perhaps I don't. If everything is a connected stream of events, then perhaps I'm just following through on events that are happening around me and before me in time. So the question is, do i accept how things feel or what ideas seem to potentially make sense? Life would seem like a bit of a joke if I have no control over it, just an impression that I do...

The ratio wasn't ideal but due to circumstances of a late start and bad weather, we could only get a small amount of footage. I wanted the excuse of a creative outlet so it was enough for me to have some fun with The tune is from a "Mowax" album (I think Mowax are actually a label though"), "Major Force West". The tune is called "Funky Monkey".

Hope you enjoy, it's just a short one though. It's called "m+m", get it here Trials-Forum Video -> Full View • Download • Upload I'm hoping to get into a groove of producing some regular longer ones Ben

Hehe, I guess not but at least you won't feel the need to be concerned about it

Exactly! An event probably occurs when nobody is around, but the event as we know it, does not. We only know interpretations of events outside of our heads, affecting our senses and nervous system and causing that end product we call mind. Of course this assumes there are events outside of our heads and not just minds. But basically we know the world through a process of two events interacting. That's also what relativity is. The different position in which two people watch a football travel through the air goes a long way to defining their experience. There is no definite way of experiencing the football, just a relative interpretation based on space-time conditions.

The joke clearly flew over your head and then crapped on me, Mike.

Can humans create linguistical structures that are paradoxical and bear no relation to reality even though they seemingly make sense? I think so! The cretin says, "all cretins are liars". I have a round square. If I can say it then surely god can make it otherwise he doesn't exist? Then again, perhaps those linguistic impossibilities have already been applied to the structures of the bible... I need to go to sleep.

Because the blackness is what your nervous system produces to represent an event that contains no light, outside of your head. In the absence of anything else, your mind gives you the blackness. The blackness doesn't exist outside of your head, something else, or people might say "nothingness" does. When events occur that contain light, you get the production of colour in your mind. Again, the colour doesn't exist outside of your head, that's just the way your are representing external events that hit and stimulate your eye and nervous system.