Burton

if you put them forwards, your cockpit area is longer

BUT arent the monty, koxx and echo uns different to yours(material wise)? and what would snap on them? Teeth? cos i thought theyd be cheap&steel if this is true, theyd be less prone to bending :o :"> just a little theory........

what rim? grind/tar?

id say about 50+ bb rise,for the right standover. and about 370/375mm chainstays :ermm: about a 22.5" top tube. dunno about headangles, just dont make it slack, fairly steep- so you dont loose out on toptube length ^_^

looooooks crap. :turned: me thinks it needs a seat tube from the bb to seat stay area for a more rigid ride

yep, ive now got neck ache :turned: it still tells you f00k all about benito ros :( but, on the full builds, you can get the hope/try-all disk, the bigger un

Michelins seen to be too low rolling on wide rims, like bmfs. :ermm: high rollers seem to be good. :unsure: What about the hans venture tyre maxxis do? (N) any info is mucho appreciated(sp). :ermm: Cheers

Sam ive hit my downtube already. my t-pro dented from the same manoever(sp) and this just scratched. also the chainstay as seen too much wall in this wet weather, but has only scratched. use hose pipe. if you can get some wide tubing, use it as a downtube protector. armordildos, arent that protective, put for a PYTHON, itll stop the scratches. Dan :rolleyes:

i would say real trials is doing trials with your own style and variation on anything and everything. e.g martyn ashton- can do natural. can do street. can do shows. imo an all-round trials rider. BUT i believe this is all down to a matter of opinion. e.g v.hermance may think real trials is uci on everything-comp,street,natural,show.

go fot the low-fiser style bar. something like 1" rise. onza koxx zoo/echo easton best of both worlds

i snapped my trusty onza forks from my snapped t-lite and when i had a look at the steerer, it had snapped about an inch up from where the steerer connects to the fork. has this happened to your onza fork or any other fork. thanks, dan :sick:

mission frames(old t-pro, t-raptor) are just weaker copies, like the da bomb onza are very sucessful, and havent been doing trials that long either