Depends which Echo Tyre is in question..... The 'old skool' uns, (CLS uses them), have a white line around them, quite cheesey, pinch a bit as well on soft pressures, with the heavier rider. Pretty much the same as the old Monty ones, with the white line, and the yeloow line. The new Echo Tyres are completely black, and have a lot thicker sidewalls, and not as cheesey on your rim. Check www.tartybikes.co.uk for pics of the new tyres. Selectbikes still have the old tyres in i believe