The koxx camp is actually a really good deal, like 300 usd for 6 days of lodging, food (3 meals) and riding with the best....I will buy you alcohol though matt...I could get you some pedals, they'll probably be shit though Get me drinking, if you are amiable or a friend on the net, I'll start buying all kinds of shit oh and x-mass was great...got a very nice ditigal SLR camera that I'm playing with I'm still on vacation till january 6th, after that its all business till koxx days...make it out there matt...you too joe