thanks i will try heating them up abit more and see if they come loose
well they were amazing for the first day or so great bite great hold and in the soaking wet, but then the quality decreased rapidly, i tried re-grinding, cleaning the surface, changing rims and changing the type of grind but nothing worked.
now there is barely any hold, makes no sound at all and the bite is pathetic
so i think a change of pad is in order