Thanks guys, haven't been able to post an answer 'til now, just been getting errors, sorted now it seems. As to checking on the for sales on here, we have! all part bikes at the moment or way too expensive for a first trials, as said it'll take a few knocks while learning so he doesn't really want to go over the £200 or thereabouts for now. From reading the posts on here looks like a 20" mod is what he wants. Nikkkkks he'll most probably take you upon that offer of help, thanks. I'll send him the link and sign in to this forum and he can take it from there. Thanks again guys...Appreciated!