Hi guys thanks for the replies, I dont know what the first "post 1" is about...? Yeah the Curtis frames are expensive, but you get what you pay for. I've been doing dirt jumping and street riding for about 6 years, since then have broken a few mid-range budget frames so now I plan on spending a bit more for a top quality frame that will apparently last forever.. Thanks for the info on Marino their frames look quality but I can't find any info on the materials used and the frame manufacturing process, know where it is? The choice is between custom Curtis or Marino frame, was already partially decided on Curtis because they're custom and British but the idea of a Peruvian custom frame sounds cool, I dont think I've seen any in my area. If I can get Curtis to lower the head angle of the T24 frame slightly to ~69-71o will the frame geometry become more suited to a 80mm fork? Sorry for blabbering on I've been looking for a new frame for ages, hoping to get it before our short British summer starts and finishes but looks like little chance of that. Thanks again