Nah i totaly agree i respect Koxx as a company much more than any of Deng's, they are certainly ground breaking and have made trials what it is today. It just upsets me to see them pricing themselfs out of the market. Yeah a few people will buy these frames weather it be the XTP/R/ Coustllier but if they mearly took a small amount of their retails then sales would surely shot up?! Certainly not anti Koxx though in fact ver pro Koxx, I love what they do for our sport