I said drop his price by £300 meaning they would be £200. A good point you've made there Adam, Plenty of frames at £300, so why should these be any different in price ? Its all the same shit just with different geo, weight and design. Its utter madness. EDIT: Where as with cars as you were using as an example, completly different aspect. A trial frame is a trial frame, simple as, some are just a little lighter than others, have different geometry and look a little different, yet they all give the same performence, where as with a car, they don't all give same performence.