As people have said mate maguras are weak!! I,ve not blown any pipes yet , but have snapped 2 levers and 2 leaked , I,ve replaced them now and seem to running ok , Echo's do look smarter ,But i,ve never used them as of yet, Maguras are a well established brake making company thats the reason why i,m sticking with them, Like many questions on T.F its down to your own preference....