Yeah, fair enough. What I'm getting at is that people will pay the money to have something which is reasonably well thought out, light and (most importantly) seen to be optimum machine for the job, probably because someone like Kenny Belaey, Vincent Hermance or whoever ride it. However, those with a bit more sense (like me!) buy the 221Pr which is under a kilo heavier than the Ti, yet has the same geometry and will (possibly has?) outlast any 221Ti... Which is why I'm waiting to find out when the 220 Kamel will be released and how much it will cost becuse f**k paying £950 for some aluminium tubing!