I think the main issue is not really with the riding itself (although, it does seem to have gone from TGS to just S...), it's a few things: 1) The concept held by many self proclaimed TGS riders that what they do is trials. As has been said, what you do is a small element of what trials should be. And I'm not talking linked street lines, spinny stuff or whatever. Trials at it's base is fannying round in the woods riding sections. In my eyes, trials street riding is a form of that which is far more accessible for people who don't live near any good natural. Street trials should always be, to some extent, the act of riding a kind of urban section. Simply sidehopping different sized walls all day long is not trials- it's practising a single move related to trials. Now before that arse Mike Winton comes in let me say that if that's what you enjoy doing, fair enough, but don't expect proper trials riders to accept it as a genre of riding because it really isn't. And secondly, I don't think of CLS, Damon, Tunni (edit: I'm gonna throw in Ben Travis there so he feels happy!!)etc as TGS riders since they ride interesting, novel lines and find new ways of riding obstacles. 2) It's the measuring of sidehops for 'fun'. I cringe whenever I see someone on a ride take out a tape measure. That's some sad shit right there. 3) And I guess also the 'sidehop scene', the cringeworthy 'tuckage thread' being the embodyment of what's wrong with the new school S riders. If I see one more picture of Danny Swindlehursts arse I'm gonna scream. Finally, let me just say that I've been riding for over 10 years now. In some peoples eye's I should've given up years ago to give the S riders a chance to shine. However, I can still happily sidehop any trials bike around the 48" mark without tucking, backwheel 50" or so without a tap, but also, and here's the thing, hold my own at national level competitions and have a good stab at spinny 'circus bike' street riding, as some tossers like to put it. I'm a TGS rider, a circus freak and comp nerd all at once... but I enjoy all types of riding and don't get hung up on the latest s!d.