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WWJD?

I thought that was what the whole bible was about... him being the son of God an' all that... And where did you say these camps are held? Edit: Also, can I ask how you got into Christadelphianism? Are your folks followers too?

That's one of the major differences I found when I did my bike test. I was asking the instructor really quite stupid questions about whether it's ok to let go of the bars to wipe/raise/lower your visor in the test and he looked at me as if I was mad- 'well if it's dangerous not to then just do it...'. In the bike instruction/test they're far more open to how things should be done to be safe and stay in control rather than worrying about whether you cross your hands, block shift, check your mirrors 15 times a minute (regardless if you actually see anything, so long as your head moves) like they do in driving tests. At the expense of brake pads and discs... I always go down through the gears but then that's how I was taught and it makes sense to me.

Not sure. I think Tartybikes might sell Monty stuff and you could always try Trials-UK . Hope I've helped.

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Is it wrong that I hiss at preacher people if I see them spouting their religious rubbish in the street? Or just rude?

I think you'll find that they continued blissfully unaware of that until the end of the journey, at which point they told aaalllll their friends about your 'bloody dangerous' display of the lack of respect from the youth of today. The fact is that all the drivers everyone's describing simply don't have a clue how to drive. Those who drive at 40 everywhere simply don't know any different. If you were to stop one in a national limit and ask them the speed limit and how fast they think they were going, they wouldn't have a clue. Likewise middlelane hoggers- I bet if you were to actually stop them and ask why people keep undertaking them/cutting across their noses into the (empty) inside lane (), they'd just tell you about all the dangerous wankers on the roads today. I would dearly love for someone to do some research on not how many accidents are caused by excess speed, but how many accidents are caused by slow drivers forcing people trying to make progress to overtake them in dodgy spots. I've done it so many times- I get so wound up by them that any space becomes an overtaking opportunity and I bet a lot of head on collisions happen because of it.

Agreed, those yanks are seriously messed up. Canucks are a bit weird but friendly and cool .

I've never ridden a road bike or a fixie but I can tell you right now that you're talking out of your arse! Going up a hill, if someone on a geared roadie bike, has a reasonably good technique (ie not stomping the pedals just nice and smooth), even if he stayed in the same gear all the way up the hill, with the same ratio as you, there'd be no difference between that and a fixie. At that point it just comes down to fitness, although, of course, we all know that you're going to be in the net Olympics FP, most likely kickin' that pussy Chris Hoy's arse, eh? However, if the hill started to get steeper or whatever, the road bike could change gears, get the cadence right, and pull away no problem.

Personally, I wouldn't want to waste my time on such things. The closest I've got to a bible has been checking if there's a page 666 in them... Have obviously scanned the first creation bit online, found it completely laughable (didn't realise it was a comedy) and stopped.

Definitely, 100% was Martyn Ashton. It's in Chainspotting outside Rio's burgers. He says that then it breaks into the 'Satan, Satan, S-s-s-s-s-satan' tune and riding in Newbury. The Hawyse one your thinking of is when some nutjob walks past carrying a full on cross telling them 'He died for our sins, how will you spend eternity in damnation' (or something) and he replies with 'I'm not really that bothered'. You guys really need to watch the oldies a bit more!!

No, it wouldn't but I really hate the thought of some self righteous Christian trying to save me from my sinful ways on my behalf. The thought actually offends me in some way, much like preachers on the streets spouting bible quotes and telling you to take Jesus into your life and repent... Must be the devil in me I guess.

I really wish you wouldn't.

I think the thing we're getting at in this thread is the difference between faith- like belief in something being 'the first cause' or whatever else that incorporates and Christianity. Christianity, the bible, Jesus, Moses, God and everything that goes with it has nothing to do with the cause of the Big Bang, the nothingness before it or the nothingness (?) outside of our own Universe into which we are expanding.

I don't think it's insecurity at all. It's the disbelief that anyone can so blindly ignore factual evidence and proof. The fact that we can prove things like the Big Bang and evolution actually happened is the point here. Picking on Hannah (sorry), she was unaware of any evidence for the fact our Universe is expanding and started at a singularity of some sort. The realisation of things like that may just make her think a little about what the creation story and the bible itself is about. Religion makes her happy, fair enough. And our Kiwi friend is also clearly a true believer and so long as he's happy, whatever. I just feel sorry for people like him who find comfort in something which seems (to me) so far from reality, verging on delusional.

No, I wouldn't be the slightest bit offended because I can see that downhill is impressive and quite a cool thing to do and a downhiller, even if he thinks trials is a waste of time and stupid is allowed his opinion and I'm sure would also think that it's also quite clever, even if he won't admit it! You, however, when someone questions your faith, simply get really defensive and ask for the thread to be closed. As for the things you've witnessed or have heard stories of, I just think you really need to question these things more. Everything you've described in your posts simply don't make sense. You, personally, seem to have been witness to several real life miracles. Outside of sensationalist (usually American) chrisitian groups, the world tend to see none. Ever (except jesus occasionally appearing in jars of marmite). If your healing man has the power to instantly heal someone, what the hell is he doing at a christian camp? Surely 'god' would have a far better use for someone who sounds like he has the power jesus himself and may, in fact, be the new messiah. Or maybe he's just a normal guy who is good at making gullible kids believe what he wants them to believe in a setting in which everyone has already accepted his truth and is unquestioning to start with? Oh, and I'm sure he's making a pretty penny out of the gullible kids too . Edit for the non-believers: Hallelujah!

Should I be pleased or angry?

It quite clearly is a discussion, two sides putting their point across... What you're getting offended by, I imagine, is the fact that the majority of people replying aren't as blinkered as yourself to the (very good) possibility that religion is a big pile of human created rubbish. You have done nothing to make anyone see things your way because, from your posts, you're in waaaaay too deep and, in my opinion, have completely lost touch with reality and are totally lost in the sensationalism side of religious craziness. In my opinion not all christians are nuts, just misguided. You, however, I would describe as nuts! On the whole Santa vs. God thing... JT has it exactly right but misses out the vital, final point- 'By the time people turn 10 (or so), they come to realise that Santa is actually just a nice made up story to give parents something to threaten their kids with if they're bad and impart some control.' So what, exactly, goes wrong which stops a lot of people from refusing to believe in a just as crazy story about a man in the sky once they're 10? Is it that the threats are greater? Eternity in pain and suffering > not getting a train set? Christianity Religion: the greatest lie ever told. (And believed).

Completely wrong. Your profession is your job, that is, what you make a living at. What Joe's saying is that unlike people like Martyn Ashton (and hopefully now Danny Mac) to name two, Damon is not professional and never will be while he persists with the 'don't give a shit, trials riders are dicks anyway' attitude. No company in their right mind would offer to actually pay him to represent them while considering his attitude. As Joe said, not a dig, just the truth. And comparing professional trials with professional rugby or football is also stupid. There are thousands of professional rugby/football players in the world and their attitude doesn't really have as big an impact on the teams/companies which they represent (to be fair, if they act like twats they're probably more like their supporters than if they were well behaved...). Trials however has maybe 40 riders in the world who actually make a living doing what they're doing so they must be far more careful with how they put themselves across. Well in which case he really needs to sort out his online persona/attitude because at present it sucks!

Sorry, my bad.

Reverse psychology, eh?

But that immediately goes against what the bible says, and if you're questioning that then the rest of the book becomes donkey turd too surely?

It's got nothing to do with breaking something, it's about having a shit attitude and plastering the broken something over the internet, without making any effort to let people know it was a one off frame or anything like that. I also think a sponsor may have something to say if the rider sells a free prototype frame which he's been sent to test and provide feedback on. Or am I missing something?

lol.