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That's only because people who believe realise that it makes absolutely zero sense in the modern world if you do take it as read and so make sure that they can pick and chose the bits they want to believe. It all comes down to the idea that the bible was written (by man) after stories had been passed down and changed through generations. What you end up with is, most likely, complete drivel with very little basis in reality. Again it was written in a time when our knowledge of the world around us meant that to even mention the idea that the Earth might orbit the Sun was punishable by death. Man I hate religion with a passion.

Smart man, that Epicurus.

I'm afraid I didn't bother reading anything you posted after that, I may do later but when rubbish like that comes out I switch off. Edit: Having scanned your posts I think we have a winner for hardcore christian of T-F. Unlucky.

Ah, ok- makes sense .

I thought he was saying 'looser explanations' as in, less strict?

Apparently he stunt doubled for Luke Goss in Hellboy 2 and is currently working on the new Wachowski Brothers film (makers of the Matrix trilogy).

They can't make up their mind- it's back to heavy rain all Saturday... ah well.

Hi Matt, The course looks really fun! I'm really sorry I'm not going to be able to make it- Abingdon DJ ride on Saturday and a Hampshire comp on Sunday just makes it impossible I'm afraid. I'm sure you'll have a wicked weekend though- I expect to see a video afterwards! Dave

Are you speculating that believing in a religion is predetermined by your genes? That last sentence really lost me.

Haha, like it . Diplomacy a its best .

He's an Olympic gymnast/tumbler but it looks like he could be appearing in films in the near future judging by that!

You sure it's not Ads?

There are people you can talk to you know?

Knowing what Dave usually posts on here he was probably wanting to ask them whether the bible explains which way pedals screw into the cranks on his Monty. That or he's already forgotten what he wanted to ask... Liking the telescopes point Rowan .

Yup. The only difference between humans and monkeys is that we've evolved to become mildly intelligent so we can communicate what's going on in our heads with each other. It's another of those self obsessed human beliefs that we're so special that there must be a meaning to life and our existence. 42. Either that or Xenu the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions of his people to Earth in DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. We are all therefore thetans, the remaining souls of the dead. Seems about as believable as Christianity to be fair.

But seeing as the Church supplied that bit and refused to provide a sample from anywhere near the actual 'image' then they're kind of shooting themselves in the foot. The evidence to prove that it's a fake is right there but they're unwilling to allow it. Could it be, heaven forbid , that they've already carried out their own carbon dating and proved to themselves that it's a fake? But maybe, just maybe they'd rather if they didn't come out and dash the hopes of billions of people worldwide by letting out that the single piece of vague proof that Jesus even existed is a forgery?... Regardless of it's true age, the 'image' on it or anything else, it first 'appeared' around the 13th Century. So, even assuming it's real, what bright spark decided that it simply must be the sheet that covered Jesus in his tomb? And precisely what evidence did he have of that fact? Completely removed from whether I'm a Christian, materialist, chauvinist or Martian, it's a complete joke!

I think you'll find that most of the 'research' is carried out in the Vatican by the church immediately making it 100% null and void. Last I heard they'd successfully dated it to around 1200ad... so not really when the main man was (supposedly) around. To me it's one of the most laughable pieces of 'evidence' out there (if there are actually any others?). Edit: Soooo, basically, somebody made it around that time and probably made a lot of money from a lot of gullible people passing it off as real. It. Is. A. Fake.

Faked bit of cloth with a tea stain on it, right?

Well he was the son of god/god itself. Duuuh!

BBC was saying heavy rain Friday and Saturday earlier... As does the Met.

Neither of those make sense though. So... he's asking himself why he's forsaken himself? Either he's got a couple of screws up in his head loose... or the people you're describing above can't read. I also find it mildly amusing, in the light of Prawn's blatant Nazism, that the death of Jesus can be placed squarely on the Jews. Man they must feel a bit shit. Says you.

I don't really get how he died for anyone. One of his homies grassed him up to the rozzers and they had him crucified. He hardly did it of his own free will...

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