But what I'm saying is that there are (around) 20,000 of the true rare 20p coins out there. Those have no date on either side and to a serious coin collector is something a bit special and therefore, to them, worth paying a lot of money for. However, there are also a lot of people now on ebay trying their luck selling standard coins which have a date on only one side- basically just trying their luck and jumping on the band wagon. There are millions of those coins in circulation and so are of no interest (or value) to a collector. This is the type which weirdoku has and which is only worth a few quid, if some silly person thinks they're getting a bargain on one of the truly rare coins because they don't know what they're actually after. So it is different and these latter ones are very far from being 'some rare shit'. I think I'm explaining this poorly!