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And I'll bet you 80-90% of those were resprayed. As I said- it was an excellent frame but the colours were in poor taste. You'll find I've also made comments about the Ice and the Skull in other threads as both don't really work on a colour scheme/graphics level but that's by the by. The 2 tone generation... It's not about how many colours are used it's about the way their used and the proportions. Those are both pretty simple designs but stand out and seem to work with the frame designs. Not sure what you're getting at there. I didn't say BMXers have no taste I was saying that the fashions and styles which are acceptable in BMX are totally different to trials. Also BMXers have a few different camps- as well as the 'rat bike' camp there's also those who like their bike to look nice and those are the ones who would most probably be ok with the Inspired- both in design terms and also in colour terms, particularly the more interesting colours Dave's brought out since the first batch. Again, as said before, this one frame, on it's own, probably looks fine in the flesh and Captain Scarlet's one shows that it can make a pretty nice build. My comments about buying some taste etc were on the complete build at the start of this thread which make the bike look tacky, through both component choice and too much gold etc. As said above, I dare say if Ads had been given the task of doing a sample build it would've looked bloody brilliant. But regardless of my opinion, I don't think it'd be too hard for you (Onza) to say 'you know what, maybe we could exploit the shape of the frames more when it comes to graphics, we'll look into that'. Look at Joe Seddons yellow bike. It utilises a 'swoosh' similar to the '2 tone' jobbie above which just works far better with the frame shape than what you've done with the graphics on the current production version. The Skull is another one. The skull and crossbones could've worked with a bit of effort but the graphics on the production version just looks like an afterthought. At the end of the day I honestly think Onza could be even more successful if you just thought about these little things a bit more and took a leaf out of the Rockman, Koxx Sky book or whatever, particularly with the Pro Series. But then why would you listen to me? I'm just an argumentative online nobody who should be ignored at all costs.

I did have to laugh when Joe Seddon suggested I seek sponsorship from Onza on the upcoming 24" bike... I have a feeling the bridges have been burnt there . Completely agree with all of that. There have been cases before where Mike and Joe started throwing insults etc around regarding frame designs (I think) and don't always manage to maintain a very professional image which would be fine if they went down the 'friendly British company who build bikes for the kids with relevant input' but instead often just come across (whether deliberate or not) as 'yeah, well we designed that 10 years before that company stole it from us' and don't seem to accept that the customers and riders may have something to offer. Couldn't agree more about the sample build either. If Ads had put together a pimp version of the frame for promotional purposes this whole shitstorm could've been avoided.

Purely depends on what you prefer components wise. Rear freehubs mean the rear end will be a little heavier so the bike will be slightly less flicky. It tends to be cheaper to run a front freewheel but only if you already have a fixed rear hub and threaded cranks etc. Only real issue with front freewheels is their trouser diet but that's pretty much not a problem if you run a bashring.

That's what student loans are for...

When I used to use V's (and we're talking 10 years ago now although the theory's the same for u-brakes on BMXes) I'd just loosen the pad bolts, pull the brake lever and give the pads a bit of a shake to get them sitting right and then clamp them up while still holding the brake. Provided the whole assembly doesn't rotate in the arms you should be laughing!

Yeah but the description is NOT of the (foreign) driver who crashed the R8. The guy who posted the description of Dan was simply saying his mate (Dan) has an R8 and can drive llike a tit sometimes. Read the thread, it'll all make sense.

That's what run ups are for!

The effect looks pretty good although I have a feeling you'd really need to change the rear hub pretty quickly if you're planning doing anything properly 'trialsy' and there are a few other things you might want to change in time. For £600 you could get a really nice Inspired second hand though which would be perfect and better specced from the off... up to you really!

It's so funny how useless people are. Apparently in France, Germany etc. their news programs have stories about the English and how stupid they are when it snows. Can't blame them really...

What's with soldiers making videos of action on their phones? If I was in charge I'd be seriously pissed off if a useful body were f**king about videoing what's going on instead of doing their job and avoiding being shot... In fact if I were there I'd be concentrating on not being shot rather than videoing stuff. I can understand messing around in camp and away from the action but surely when you're being shot at your mind should be on the job?

But far neater I'd say.

Eggzilla says Raaar! I like your thinking- that would be sweet. You could have a family of Limey's...

Damn you! Wrong answer . It worked for Christmas number 1...

If it's not the colour you chose I hope you've negotiated a discount with the factory? Disc tabs? Excellent- everyone wanted them and you included them- doesn't make sense not to considering it's the way most frames are going these days, especially the top end compy frames. Weight- makes sense really. You just have to look at the comparable frames available on tarty at the moment to see that weight is a big thing and getting a nice balance of strength:weight is a basic requirement. Colour wise, I think as I said before, I'm guessing in person the frame alone probably looks ok, and the one with black rims built up by Captain Scarlet doesn't look too bad but again the graphics could've been designed to work with the lines of the frame a lot better (along the lines of what Seddon's done but with Onza logo's or whatever) and the pictures in the first post make it look like cheap and tacky, as a lot of people have said. I'm not alone in my opinion I'm just the one who's keeping at you trying to get a reasonable response. I'm starting (!) to get rude because I'm repeating myself over and over (along with comments from a lot of others in this thread (and that Cleaner)) and at no point have you or Mike taken a step back and said 'ok, maybe next time we'll make sure the frames come back the colour we ordered/we'll be having words with the factory/maybe we could spend a bit more time on graphics' Mike just keeps telling me Onza designed every frame in the world and you didn't even mention it wasn't the colour it was supposed to be until halfway through the thread... I've tried to be fairly constructive but this doesn't seem to have been taken on board in the slightest.

Survey says... . Trialtech carbon.

Does look quite fun although the actual snowskate boards have those ribs on the bottom to improve directional stability compared to a standard skate deck.

The frame is generic? Again that has nothing to do with it. I'm talking purely aesthetics- colour and graphics. Both real weak points of Onza in my (and I'd guess quite a few others) opinions. That's a fact. And quoting a BMXer is completely pointless- have you seen some of the 'ghetto' piles of poo they ride? They actually deliberately make their bikes look crap for the sake of it. And also, there are massive differences between the sorts of people who ride, and the 'fashions' within trials and bmx. I'm sure if you showed him most of the current trials frames he'd tell you how shit they look but then show him an Inspired or that Czar 24" Ads has just built up and he might like it because it's closer to what BMXers relate to. Can you not concede that the likes of the T-Rex colour scheme could've been thought out a bit more carefully?! You say you can ask 100 people what colour a product could be? Well Joe asked about that in the Onza thread then IGNORED everyone who replied. This is like talking to a brick wall.

Hehe . The way I see it, avoiding the 'mind altering' side of substances (which I'm just not interested in at all), you're left with something which is used in a social way- as you say "expansion of self and environmental awareness and the stimulation of laughter, feeling happy, etc." which is something which some people don't need drugs (or alcohol) to acheive. And Ash- alcohol tends not to cause major psychological episodes including hallucinations, paranoia, anxiety, confusion and can lead to depression and schizonphrenia in extreme cases (though don't quote me on that). It's also consumed into the lungs usually with tobacco which also means you're f**king up your long term health, fitness and lungs regardless of the effect of the drug itself.

No Irony intended, maybe just a bit of humour. But they're never going to indicate any of the (questionable) positive effects that are they?! At the end of the day it's bad for you and illegal...

Ooh, I like that! Didn't realise there was a sensible reason the dropouts were so weird- that's neat. Liking the colour too, especially with the white bits. Coulda one with white graphics too but that's just being anal .

I vote for a giant dome over the country, similar to that used in the fact based documentary I saw a while back... ' The Simpsons somethingorother' I think it was called.

I don't really think that would work either though... If you remove the Taliban (Sunni Islamic extremists) then they'll just be replaced by Shia's, Sufi's or whatever other evil Muslim psycho's the religion spawns. They will then continue to try and wipe out any remaining non extremist Sunni's by blowing themselves and anyone else who's around to the kingdom of Allah. Regardless, there's no reason why the UK should be involved.

:facepalm: Medicinal use only in rare cirumstances. Everything else is illegal. The long term effects of Canabis use are far greater than alcohol. Haven't you seen the adverts?!

Why do I get the feeling every single comment is falling on deaf ears? I don't give a shit about who came up with the concept of the design- you can keep preaching that about every frame out there 'til the cows come home. The point is that wherever the frame design came from, Univega, with zero history in trials, has made the bike look (aesthetically- we're talking colours and graphics mainly) a heap load better than anything you've produced in the last 10 years!! The best looking frames you've done are the prototypes which you then ruin by painting/anodizing them in poor choices of colours and putting on crap graphics when it comes to the production versions. It's being said again and again on here and YOU STILL DON'T LISTEN! The old T-Rex was a perfect example- I don't know of a single one who wasn't stripped and painted because of the crap black and chrome flame effect finish. Underneath was a nice frame which many people (myself included) loved but the rubbish aestheticss which would've been more at home on a bike aimed at a 5 year old did it no justice at all. Edit: Can I also bring your attention to this: Once again 100x better than standard and even how it should've been released in the first place!