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But soon you'll have none? How does that work?!

Haha!

I thought that must be the case! And agreed, a circlip would be fairly unnecessary and would mainly just add weight! As forteh says though, would be good engineering practice to include a retaining mechanism of some sort.

With no circlip or anything? Seems a little brave! Also, is the core steel or ally? The blue anodizing confuses me (easy to do)!

To me cycling is using a bicycle as a form of transport, whether for the purpose of commuting, fitness or whatever else. Although I ride a bicycle, I don't consider myself as a trials rider a cyclist. Similarly I don't imagine motorbike trials riders consider themselves motorcyclists in the sense of road riders and commuters- they're just different in the way the rider uses the bike.

If I only rode trials I wouldn't consider myself a cyclist- I only barely count myself as one for messing about in the woods occasionally. Just something to bear in mind.

There's a big difference between 'cyclists' (and people who commute by bike) and those who use bikes for a hobby, like BMXers or trials riders. A lot of us type are also into cars, motorbikes and stuff which makes us not overly tree-huggery.

But prone to rounding off... the button head ones anyway, cap heads were much better.

Well he was definitely just doing a roll back.

But JJ wants to go brakeless. And even if he wanted to run brakes, disc on the front is the only way to roll!

Link to the vids? You sure they weren't just back pedalling with the bike to allow it to roll back?

It is a 2011 frame but there's the Fourplay (mk1) which is still available, Element and Fourplay 2011. I was assuming that Matt was talking about the Fourplay (mk1) versus the Element rather than the (Fourplay) 2011. Does that make sense?!

Hey dude, although I'm a little biased I really don't think you can beat the Inspired for strength, design and build quality. Get yourself a nice build with Inspired forks as well and you'll be laughing. Will definitely be looking forward to seeing some videos of you ripping it up!

Ah, sorry- didn't realise the geometry had been tweaked slightly. I thought the updated geometry was only on the 2011 frames.

Fourplay has 4 bolt mounts, Element has V-mounts. Only other difference I'm aware of is with the shifter cable guides. Fourplay has them, Element doesn't.

Hehe, fair enough! May have to invest one lazy day and catch up on all the trials and supermoto stuff. Never come across it before.

But... you have to pay for it?!

Is the centre of those freewheels alloy?

I get that but surely by accepting 'it' as existing you're feeding the illness rather than combating it?

Umm... I can read just fine mate. This isn't helping anyone though, I stand by my comments that naming your delusions (for want of a better/correct word) and accepting them is not healthy.

That's not how I read it- I thought you were still smoking to take the edge off things and try to 'control yourself'. I thought that last post was actually fairly constructive... Meh.

It really doesn't sound like you're all that sure that it's not real. I strongly agree with whoever it was that said it's a bad idea to personify the problem. By giving it a name, a personality and believing anything it says it can only be strengthening the problem. I'm clearly no expert in this but it seems reasonable that to believe in things that are not there is to accept it as existing. I'm sure it's not as easy as that but it'd got to be a start. And stop doing 'shrooms and smoking weed maybe...

Ah, ok- didn't realise that! Sorry RiderRace!

Pmded. The ID is 12mm though but I thought the Echo hubs had 12mm axles which were machined down to 10mm at the dropouts...