They ride awsome though, and my friend has had no trouble with his dropouts, he has also done some big stuff on both street and natural. I think if you side hop the f**k out of it then it obviously with crack eventually. To the thread question though....its all personal preference, i mean me i dont really like long frames, and i dislike zoo frames, dont know why, just dont like them, so i would more than likely go for a onza ice, as the rockman is long. So to be honest, its upto you and the geo which you personally prefer.