right, im trying to build a try-all hole rim it has off-set spoke holes and when i lace up the wheel the spokes dont turn out like this http://www.tartybikes.co.uk/images/bikes20...oxx220bike6.jpg as you can see the spoke nearest to the left side of the rim goes to the left side of the hub but when i lace mine up the spoke that goes to the right side of the rim goes to the left side of the hub p.s im build my wheels the same way as shown in the wiki any ideas?? or are you as confused as me?