Hey, just thought I would write up abit of a review as I have recently changed frames from my saracen mad to a bt raven 5.0. Abit of background information: My names Jordan, I have ridden trials for around 6 months now and am enjoying it alot, I have a bmx and dj/dh background. I started so I could improve my brake contro, balance and all round bike control. I was also encouraged by my brother who used to ride a while back. I have bin looking to upgrade my frame for a while so I can progress further in the sport and never really got round to it, when my saracen mad frame snapped at the chain stays it was time to upgrade and find something that could help my riding more. I found a bt 5.0 frame secondhand and bought it. I hope my reviews are useful for you! Review of saracen mad frame: This is a very good starter frame, it is suprisingly light in weight aswell! It builds into a frame suited well for streety trials and bunny hops and manuals very well. I found the frame built up to be reasonably flicky and good for 24" style moves such as 180s etc. This made it ride well for demos (and also on the rocks), ask Jonny__mc, he loved it! I would advise any beginner to buy this frame as it rides well, looks the part, and even has a seat tube which some may find useful! Some problems I found were that: - The frame has tyre clearance issues even with a thin tyre and narrow rim! - The frame flexed alot at the back brake without a the use of a booster, and had less clearance than the bt has when using brand new pads. - Not as strong as I first thought. Review of bt raven 5.0 frame so far: First noticable change is that the bt raven feels much longer! It rides very nicely on the back wheel in comparison with the saracen mad. It doesn't feel as flicky, this could be down to the extra length, I am only 5ft 6"! The frame feels much stiffer than the mad, there is less flex in the back brake without the use of a booster but I would still advise the use of a booster with this frame. There is also more tyre clearance, and I have had no difficulties fitting my new pads in there. All moves feel better, my gaps have improved quickly, the extra bb clearance means I can roll up obstacles that I struggled with before. I am very pleased with the frame. Thanks for looking, hope I have helped!