Yes, yes they are its madness there’s been more extremes as well I couldn’t seem to find the picture but this one guy from Russia went to extremes and drilled sidewalls on rims, the hubs, crank arms, bottom bracket, shaved the nobbles off the sides of his tyres and drilled some more holes here and there. I don’t think I ever seen early trials kings stuff but if you watch the Danny Mac April 09 or his new one that was brought earlier on today "way back home" you will get my point