It might just be me but a hell of alot of people give me crap for having a bike with no seat. I go for a ride in my town and people look at it funny but dont say any thing, then i go past a group of chavs or BMX riders and they start saying "were did your seat go" or "get a BMX" erm no idrather ride a good bike. I went into my local bike shop yesterday and asked if they could fix my chain tenchinor they couldnt because it was broke and i was running a cassette, i said "ok cool" just as i was leaving one of the workers said "get a real bike" me and a friend were just like what is a real bike he says well one with a seat,gears full suspention and point to a orange 223. I argue back saying well im a trials rider and i like the sport better he says "how can u like hopping on your back wheel, wouldnt you rather go down hills real fast" i siad "been there done that, plus any one can go down a drop what about up a wall" he says "well just bunny hop up a wall" i said "its not the same feeling" the every one from the bike shop gets involved talking about how on there BMX bikes and dirt jumpers they can do this that and the other......... But why is it trials riders that get crap why not xc riders or dirt jumpers.